Episode Transcript
[00:00:09] Speaker A: All right. Hello and welcome back to another episode of Cyber Matters, powered by the Kasoof podcast network. I'm your host Russ Dorsey, a principal and CIO here at Kasoof and company here in Birmingham. Cyber Matters is a show where we talk about the cyber that matters both to our lives and their businesses and families. It's more about the human side of cyber, about how we're using it to enrich our lives and businesses, but also how we're protecting ourselves in this ever changing world.
We're kind of doing a summer special here because it's time everybody's on vacation and post pandemic, we're seeing more people traveling. So we were thinking about the threats overseas.
When you go overseas, these are either for a church mission or business trip or family vacation.
So I reached out to Doug Wilson at Counter Threat Group. And Doug, I'm going to go ahead and bring you on here while I do the rest of this intro, but to talk more about, in a broader sense, going overseas. And there's a cyber component to that, but there's also the physical component. So this is a quick, unscripted introduction. Doug, we met each other back at active shooter event back, I think, in 2018. Counter Threat group helped us with something we did out at the church at Macadori. If I remember right, you guys are heavily involved in that. I'm going to let you talk about counter threat and what you guys are doing, but you specifically, you retired lieutenant colonel with the US. Air Force and the Air National Guard. You're an intelligence officer during your career there. And when I read your bio at length in one of our previous things that we did, you were heavily involved in drone operations and things like Iraqi freedom and things. So if you want to talk more about your career there, but also with counter Threat Group and what you're doing, you're the co founder of counter Threat Group, and then you're the assistant vice president of university advancement at Sanford. You've been there about 20 years. You're keeping yourself quite busy, as most retired people do after the military, right?
[00:02:08] Speaker B: That's right.
[00:02:08] Speaker A: That's right.
But why don't you talk to us just a little bit about counter threat if you want to, and explain y'all's role in the community, and then we can talk about the international travel.
[00:02:20] Speaker B: Thank you, Russ. Yeah, I appreciate the opportunity, and I've enjoyed working with you over the past several years on some other projects like this, some other interviews with some people we brought in for some counter threat group seminars, and Kasuf as well. And I thank Kasuf and you all for having me over here to do this today. As you mentioned, I had a long military career, about 27 years, and then a good portion of that was actually in the reserve component, the air National Guard, and I was with the 117th air refueling Wing. That is a tanker operation and I was an intelligence officer with them. And so we got involved in most every contingency that went on, starting with Bosnia when we converted over to tankers and anytime there's something going on overseas, they're going to use air refuelers. And so we ended up deploying quite a bit. And so I developed a significant international travel experience through that, had a lot of varied roles as my role as an intelligence officer and then got involved in some other things outside of my unit because of that.
But through it all I developed a little seminar and session that I started doing for people before Counter Threat Group on international travel Safety.
We started Counter Threat Group around 2015 through a mutual friend that connected Rick Klepper and me. I know you know Rick and we started Counter Threat Group as more of a church safety awareness type program because I was involved on the safety team of a pretty large church here in town. And our mutual friend had connected Rick and I because of the fact that I had this background.
And so we started getting into doing assessments for houses of worship, a lot of churches, because there was a big concern even in 2015 of church violence. Whether it's active shooter acts of terrorism, whatever it is. The violence among within churches, different incidences that were happening in churches around the country were on the rise at that time and continue to be even more accelerated than they were then. So the assessment tool that we used then was a lot of the concepts that were used militarily when you're looking at identifying vulnerabilities. So we did the same process through looking at churches and identifying weaknesses where somebody could get in that might be looking to do something bad. What are the protocols? Doorways, bushes, around windows, just all the different things that most people don't notice that we took a real keen eye at and developed an assessment tool that's advanced quite a bit to where we are now with that. But the assessments are kind of the backbone of everything we do and we have done a lot of those. We've worked with not just churches, but we seem to be doing more outside of the church community, which is really where we need to go. We need to stay with churches but also extend everything we do to other we've done law firms, we've done industrial facilities, we've done healthcare facilities, we're talking to we just finished a couple of churches, we've done a school, a couple of schools and we're looking at other entities now that have contacted us about doing assessments. So that tends to be an in demand segment mainly because people are concerned about workplace violence. And as a part of what we do with Counter Threat Group, we also partner with some folks, but we also have the international travel safety component because it's the same sort of thing. How do you mitigate bad things happening when you're traveling overseas, just like you would. How do you mitigate a risk in a church or facility?
But we just look at it from a different perspective. And I continue with the program that I've done for years as needed and when asked on international travel safety. So that's kind of how we are where we are today. But Counter Threat Group does a whole lot for businesses, churches, organizations that are interested in having a more secure and know we identify the risk and reduce the risk of bad things happening in the workplace. We can't eliminate it, but we can significantly reduce it by doing these assessments. So that's really what we're spending a lot of time on these days.
[00:06:19] Speaker A: Yeah, it's rewarding work, too, I'm sure, because certainly when you mentioned the schools, we had that gentleman in here, we did that other segment that had the door barricade system.
[00:06:30] Speaker B: Absolutely, yeah.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: And that was just powerful stuff. What drove him into doing that, his motivation for creating this system, but also just seeing how that worked.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: And what we do find when we're doing assessments is there's so many things that most organizations or churches or whatever it is we're looking at that they're doing that really don't require money to fix. It's more procedural type things. It's access control.
But there are some pretty simple fixes that if people will do, they've just significantly reduced the risk. And some things do involve an investment of some sort, but it's something that can be done over time to improve what it is we find.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: All right, well, to move to our topic, and like I said, summer travel and overseas travel, I know there's several people here at Kasuf that have taken trips overseas.
I'm not really sure where to move into this. You have this nicely bulleted out in sense, so we could just go through the points. But if you want to start at a 30,000 foot level, unless we can take our time and move into some of these bullet points and things, well.
[00:07:36] Speaker B: I'll start off by saying I've been to, I think I counted as 43, 44 countries. So I've done extensive international travel, pre COVID and post COVID. I've done a lot, actually. Some we went overseas last July about a year ago and got the experience getting back overseas for the first time since COVID then. And then I've got a trip coming up at the end of August to Uganda, northern part of Uganda, and then that's more of a mission related trip and got another trip scheduled for next spring. But getting back into international travel and if you've never traveled before, if you have traveled before, everybody is ready to get back out and resume life since this COVID thing that's been gone three years ago now. Hard to believe, but one of the biggest things I was listening to today just right off the bat, that I think everybody needs to be aware of is the passport is your ticket that gets you into the country and it gets you out of the country, gets you back home.
The most important thing for anybody that wants to travel internationally is to look at your passport, make sure it's in date.
It has to have at least six months before it expires on the last day that you are in a foreign country. So it's got to be good six months from the date that you return.
So look at that when you're looking at your passport so you don't run into that issue, because they will consider it more or less expired if it's outside of six months before the expiration date, even while you're over there, even though it's a good passport and that's kind of a safety thing in case you got stuck or something. Six months seems like a long time, but that's what it is.
Passports.
[00:09:10] Speaker A: What is the turnaround or the lead time on getting a passport?
[00:09:12] Speaker B: Yeah, well, very good question. Passports. As of now, they say about 13 weeks.
I would like to say, if it were me personally, I'm going to give it six months. 13 weeks is force right at about three months. I would prefer to do it about six months out because you never know during COVID it was really extended. You don't know when other things can happen or contingencies or whatever it might be. I would really be looking six months out to get my passport renewed if I have an expired passport.
[00:09:43] Speaker A: Yeah. Does that Star ID that they've put on the Alabama licenses, that doesn't suffice as a passport. No, but does that increase the speed of getting one? Is that something you'd want to have?
[00:09:57] Speaker B: That's a question I don't have the answer to. I have a star ID. I don't know that it expedites anything. I mean, you're in some kind of system, so it could when you send a paperwork off the fact that they see that you are Star ID, it could speed it up. I don't know that answer, but that's a good question.
But I would still look at when is my passport expired? If we want to take a trip next year, and it looks like it's got about a year to go, I don't want to play around with it. I want to go ahead and get a new one for ten years. So it's an investment worth making so that you have it. You don't have to worry about being under the gun trying to get your passport. So that's very important. The other thing to be aware of is the whole flying situation.
That's probably the worst part of any kind of travel experience is the flying now, and there's a pilot shortage. And worse than that, there is an air traffic controller shortage, and you can't fly planes without air traffic control controlling them. And there are a bunch of air traffic controllers in training and that's a several year process. So they are behind the gun on we're behind on the number of traffic controllers that are needed for the volume of travel that takes place in the United States.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: Is that a function of COVID Did that happen during COVID or it could.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: Have been because they weren't training them during COVID so therefore there were no new ones coming into it during COVID so COVID's over and now they're training a bunch of people and those that retired or came out of it, there weren't new people to replace them. So there's like a two year backlog and I think the same thing could be said for the pilots as well. A lot of them retired during COVID and so there wasn't as much of that training going on. Plus it's just a field where it's at the point where there's a lot of senior folks that are flying planes that are retiring and there's not enough young ones coming in to take it. So that probably is not as critical right now as the air traffic controller shortage, but it takes both of them to get a plane off the ground and so that is something everybody needs to be aware of. There could be significant snafus in airports. You got to have your patience and be willing to be delayed because there's nothing you can do about that. We all like to be in control, we want to control our trip but that's something you have zero control over. You go to the airport and you're totally beholden to the aircraft, the company that you're flying with, and air traffic controllers and any of those things, the weather, there's things you can't control. So that's something you're going to have to exercise a lot of patience on. But that would be the other big thing is understanding there are delays and could be delays and that's just part of the assumed risk. I know some airlines have cut back on routes but then cut back on the volume of people wanting to fly so therefore you have more people flying and the planes are packed. So the flights I've taken over the past couple of years are all totally packed. So that's not always fun either, but that's just part of it. If you're going to travel, you got to deal with that. So those are the two biggies as far as just the overall international travel experience that you got to think about before you ever get there is you get your passport and plenty of time and be willing to deal with some international issues. And I always say you're almost better going through if you're traveling with a tour company or some kind of international tour. If you let them handle the reservations, they sometimes are quicker at getting things resolved. If you have a problem in an airport rather than you personally because you did your own flight trying to work it out so there are some benefits to letting other people organize your travel agents or tour operators or whatever?
[00:13:14] Speaker A: Yeah. Are you better off going with a professional agent versus TripAdvisor.com?
[00:13:20] Speaker B: I like having a contact person. I mean, you can get some great deals off the others. I'm not knocking those at all because I have used those, and I'm one of these that I don't really like to tour. I like to do my own personal I don't like a bunch of people with me when I travel. It's just part of my background. I think you draw less attention when there's less of you, but there are a lot of really good trips out there, and it's almost impossible logistically to plan those effectively by yourself with logistics and with all the rooms and travel and trains and buses or whatever it is. You spend a year just trying to figure all that stuff out. So sometimes it's easier to go on with the tour group, and so I don't knock that at all. And if you are, I think it's better to let that group handle your airplane reservation because when there is an issue, they work through the airports or through the travel services and try to get your situation cleared up quicker than sometimes you can do it yourself.
[00:14:16] Speaker A: As you mentioned, you're seasoned. But if I was to fly overseas, it would be for the first time, and I don't have no idea what I'm doing. So that's not something that you just want to go on the Internet.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: Right. If you've never been over there, if you're not meeting somebody over there that does know the area, I would almost recommend doing that. There is an adventure side to trying to figure things out yourself, if you have the time and the money and the interest of doing that. But if you don't, I got eight days or ten days, I can go take a trip. I almost think if you don't have the experience and you're going somewhere for the first time, you're probably better off looking at the different tour options that.
[00:14:48] Speaker A: You can latch onto. And they're really trying to entice travelers back overseas for honest and very good reasons. So I've been seeing great deals, be it on a cruise ship or the European tours or whatever, but I imagine the scammers are out there too, doing that too. So I imagine there's situations where you could get into a prepaid situation. So you got to do your research.
[00:15:11] Speaker B: Absolutely. Go with reputable companies, and it's easy to Google and find out the companies that are out there. There's enough people that do traveling. You can talk to almost anybody. A lot of people have you ever traveled before? Who did you use? And they'll give you a yay or a nay on who they used. And if it's a good recommendation, it's probably worth checking into them. So I always say get word of mouth recommendations on tour groups.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah.
That's all good common sense stuff so far, and it's just like anything else that we talk about.
You'd say, well, yeah, that's good common sense information, but apparently we're not talking about it enough because people are still making mistakes and doing things.
So I've got my trip planned and I've gone with the reputable group, and I think this is where we're going to kind of get into the real meat and potatoes of this. So I'm planning now to go overseas and I said I would like to get down most of this checklist. So what are the things that I need to prepare to have with me for myself and my family that you recommend? Is there a checklist or things that you definitely want to have with you? Contacts, those kinds of things?
[00:16:15] Speaker B: Yeah, the first thing I think about when I'm traveling somewhere is health. Okay, I want to enjoy my trip and I certainly don't want to end up in a hospital in another country. So when I'm thinking about health, I think about what are the typical bugs and viruses and things that you can get. Obviously, COVID is still out there, but I've been on trips where I think people had COVID or have COVID, and it doesn't really stop them. But there are other things, upper respiratory IG type problems, all the different things that you can think of that you could get from eating the wrong kind of food or drinking something that didn't the water had something in it, or you picked up a virus. The stuff for stomach issues, the respiratory type issues.
A lot of times you can get a prescription from your doctor to deal with. For instance, if you get a really bad infection or a lower GI type thing, that can be really bad overseas.
Some doctors will prescribe Cipro, which is a really strong antibiotic that they'll prescribe for you to go on the trip. So I always think of those kind of things. What am I going to need so that I don't get sick, and if I do get sick, what can I take? And so I always think about think of your health first and what are the types of things that you could possibly get when you're overseas and have some kind of medicine that will count that or that will help you get over it. So that would be the most important thing, I think. Some people get overseas and they don't think about and they get sick and they're looking for a local pharmacist and store, then get something. You don't want to do that. You just want to have it with you. When you do bring it over, keep it in a container of the box that it comes in. Because sometimes if they see loose things like that in your luggage, they'll confiscate it. They don't know what it is. They may question you really hard about what is this? But it needs to be in the packaging that it came in so that you don't run into that. So that's something important to think about, but think about all the things that affect your health. You can really boost your immune system when you're flying and you're in close quarters and you have all these people around you, particularly if it's a really long flight. You can boost your immune system with airborne and these high concentrations of vitamin C and zinc. There's off store brands that you can get for that, but you can take that while you're on the plane to really boost your immune and sometimes that helps you. And also if you end up getting a little bit of a cold or something, you can take that when you start getting the cold and it will sometimes knock it off really fast. So those are the kinds of things I like to think about right off the bat. The other thing is thinking about what is the country I'm going lot. I guess Europe is probably the destination choice for so many people. Mexico, those kind of places. I'm real leery about traveling to Mexico right now. Personally, I don't know that I would do it because there are a lot of issues going on different places there. There are safe areas you can go in Mexico, but I'd really do your research before you go over there. Even there's been a lot of cartel activity that has spilled over on some you know, you think you're safe on a resort, but unfortunately some of that has started spilling over. And so I'm concerned about yeah, I.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: Was remembering back even years when I went on the cruise that we went to and went to know and you're fairly safe on a cruise ship and you're fairly safe in the ports. But I think we went to Cozumel, Grand Cayman, and then Jamaica. Three different, completely different experiences. But I remember Mexico because even then, 20 years ago, my wife wanted to do the excursions and go find the Aztecs and I was like, Honey, you don't know me. Well, this is your husband you're talking about. You want to get me on a jeep and go deep into a foreign country where I don't know where yeah, but also where we don't know who we're dealing with now. We went to Grand Cayman, didn't really have that problem. Very friendly country. Jamaica was one of those where we got there and the only time we took an excursion, we found a recommended tour guide and he took us around for the day. But he took us to places and he offered to take us deeper into the mountains there where his family was for some really good barbecue. But we would have stayed with him the whole time and found that guide. So I think that is the thing. You get to these some countries and just there's this assumed we're safe here because this is a destination port where the ships are landing or those kinds of things.
[00:20:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I think one thing that's a good point that you bring up, that if you are with an organized cruiser ship, you can book those kind of excursions on the ship, and they typically are pretty good at knowing who they're dealing with. They're not going to port at a stop, that there's a real danger. They have ways that they can do other things. So I think on a cruise line going to Mexico, and some of those spots they stop at, I wouldn't be too concerned about that because, again, the cruise ships have their own sources that they pay attention to on safety and those kind of things. And if you're booking things through the cruise, you're probably okay if you get off the ship and someone comes up to you wanting to book some, I would be really leery of that.
But that is a good point.
[00:20:58] Speaker A: All right, so do we talk again about things to take with you? I see here and again, I didn't mean to knock you off here.
[00:21:05] Speaker B: Well, one thing I will say, though, if you're going to a destination, one thing that I always tell people, we talked about the health, and we talked about what are the immediate things I can do about my safety?
I think something that a lot of people don't know about, and particularly if you're going into countries that are a little bit more Third Worldish, where there could be flare ups and things that happen that they might have to do an extraction or something like that, a lot of the African countries come to mind. But there's a state department site called Step STP. It stands for Smart Traveler Enrollment Program. STP. Super easy to enroll in that. And what that does is that allows the State Department to know exactly your itinerary. You can say, I'm going to be here on these different days. If there were an issue in one of those countries, they're going to push out a notification to you. You can give them a cell phone number, your email, whatever is best for you to get messages while you're gone.
[00:22:01] Speaker A: So that's definitely a pre trip checklist.
[00:22:03] Speaker B: It is.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: Make sure I get on the St.
[00:22:07] Speaker B: E p State Department, go to the State Department, type in Step, State Department, off, Google, whatever you'll get to the program, you enroll in it. You tell them what countries you're going to, what's the date you're going to be there. And then I use it when I go to Uganda and been even to Greece a couple of years ago.
And I've gotten notifications. I've been to South Sudan, too, and I had it for that. And I still get notifications about what's going on in these countries, which is kind of neat to see what's happening. But when you're over there, if something's happening, they'll tell you where this is happening and what to avoid. So that you're aware that, hey, I'm in a country where this is happening somewhere else in the country, and it may be right where you are, but if there were something that happened where they had to get you, out of there, the State Department can quickly identify hey, here's x amount of people that we know are in this country right now, and here's their contact. We can give them instructions on how to get out.
State Department as far as a source of intel and real good information about what's going on in countries, it's not my favorite, but if there is something major happening, they're pretty good at knowing that there is something happening.
And the step program, from what I know, seems to work pretty well. So it's the best thing out there probably to keep somebody in the United States aware of where you're traveling if there were an emergency that they had to get you out.
[00:23:25] Speaker A: And you've got a contingency plan note here about money.
So again, we're in the preparatory phase of our trip. What do we need to think about as far as money?
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Yeah, money.
I prefer to use plastic credit card. Most every place takes that, but they don't all, again, it depends on the country. If you're in one of the normal European countries, most everybody's going to take a credit card.
I always like to have some cash and some of the currency of the country I'm going to before I get there. You can do ATM exchanges. You can go to banks and get exchanges, but typically there's a transaction fee for exchanging overseas. So you're going to pay a little bit when you may pay seven or $10 when you go to the ATM to get €100 out of the ATM, there's going to be a transaction fee. You could get euros if you're thinking ahead enough here in the country, I think AAA will do that if you're a member. And your banks, a lot of the banks can get hold of that money, but they can't get it right away. Sometimes they have to order the money. So you need to plan a couple of months out if you only want to take currency for that country over there. When people say, how much money do I need to take? I like to say $200 of your own money that you could change over there. And maybe it's a mix of partially the other country's currency and your money just so that you have some of yours and some of theirs. And that gets you through the first day or two if you're in need in cash.
And then what you do, if you have a lot of leftover euros and all, you kind of pace it, and you know, I got four more days over here. Let me buy a few meals with my money I have so that I'm not taking home a bunch of euros. So there's ways that. You can have that and still use the money, even if you weren't planning on using that much cash, so that you're not going home with a bunch of leftover euros or currency from whatever the country is.
One other thing I'll say is ATM scams are more prevalent overseas. Go to banks, go inside banks and use the ATMs inside the bank. Try to avoid the street ATMs. If you do go to an ATM on a street, make sure one of your buddies or somebody's with you that is standing kind of behind you so that somebody can't see the number you're typing in, and that it's also a protection thing so that they're looking at other people that might be looking at you. But never go to an ATM by yourself in another country.
[00:25:35] Speaker A: Okay?
I said that there may be some more pre. Checklist here again for family or whatnot, but just to step on the cyber side, since this is a cyber, show the equipment that you want to take overseas. We were talking about that before we went live with this. We always recommend not taking laptops or anything that would have any sensitive data. In fact, if you're going to go overseas and want to buy an iPad or something to take, because the first thing is that there's no privacy. There's no sense of privacy when you land overseas. They can immediately seize, especially if you go to a country that's not very friendly with us, for whatever reason, they can immediately seize all of your electronics under the guise of, we need to inspect this. But then while they've got it, in fact, they can tamper with it. Then come into your hotel rooms. There's cases there. I've seen some great FBI presentations where videos were taken, where the team would come in and be the housekeeping people in a guy in a suit, and they're looking through everything that's there. But the FBI, as a matter of fact, and I think this may be referenced on the step site, but the FBI here at the local office will, if you have to go overseas for business, they will actually open your laptop up and photograph it for you. And they have found cases where they come back and screws are turned and things like that.
Once you get over there, then there's a lot of things about staying off the WiFi and using your own VPN. And I do want to talk about that more, but it is just the even your phone. These are valuable devices overseas, but you certainly want to take and be able to communicate and have pictures, but you want to make sure that you've removed anything sensitive off of there, because that device can easily be taken or seized by authorities.
[00:27:26] Speaker B: Well, and you said a few things there that are really good things for me to come back on regarding. You said securing it in a hotel room.
I personally never use a hotel safe. Some people do and they promote, hey, we have a safe in the hotel. But hey, what happens when you forget the combination? Somebody from the hotel comes and opens it up with their own key so they're not at all secure. Anybody can get into that. Any employee of the hotel can pretty much get into that safe. So your passport is your ticket home. I maintain positive control of my passport or my shop records or anything I might need in that country on my person. When I say positive control, it's like what we used to do in the military with handling classified, top secret, those kind of things. Positive control. You're always feeling it, it's on you. It's never left by itself anywhere. It's the same thing with a passport. I'm feeling it on me day and night, even in the sleeping. I mean it's in something where it's never sitting on a table or anything. So I would never put it in the hotel safe. When you go out to sightseeing, do other things, have it with you. That's your ticket home and you can't lose that. Regarding passports, one other thing. Make a photocopy colored copy of the front of the passport that has your picture and the data of when it expires and all that on it.
Take a photocopy picture of that front page of the passport with you and keep a color copy with somebody back home. If you lost your passport, you want to be able to provide the consular with a color copy version. It's a lot easier to get your passport replaced if it's in color and you've got an actual copy of it. And if for some reason you didn't have a copy, you have someone at home that does get it overseas to you. So always make a copy of your passport, leave it with somebody, take another copy with you and put it somewhere away from you. If you're out and about, it's sitting in a bag in your hotel in some kind of safe folder or compartment of your bag or backpack or whatever. So always do that. The other thing you mentioned, the phones. I take a phone with me because it is my camera. I mean, honestly, they take better pictures than cameras do from what I've seen traveling. So I like to use it as a camera. I think taking data off that is not that you can take off and pull back on is important if you can do that. A VPN to me is very important. If you don't have a VPN, boy, I should know the acronym virtual Protocol Network.
[00:29:44] Speaker A: Virtual private network.
[00:29:45] Speaker B: Private network, yeah.
That keeps your identity safe basically because it pings off servers in other countries from where you're actually at or other servers in a country that's not you. So it keeps your information safer than about anything out there. Having a VPN, I recommend it for here.
[00:30:05] Speaker A: My phone has oh yeah, absolutely.
[00:30:07] Speaker B: So I think VPNs are very important. If you do take your phone and purses and wallets. You talked about wallets and how they can get your data without taking your phone. Well, they can also get your credit card numbers and all just they have devices that can suck it out of your pocket without it ever coming out of your pocket. They can get your data. And so there are wallets and purses that have the lead coating or the I don't think they call it lead, but there's a coating on it that keeps the signals from being compromised that you can buy in most travel stores. You can look online and get a lot of that kind of stuff that just keeps your stuff safe when you.
[00:30:41] Speaker A: Well, I think it goes back to what you said earlier about you not wanting to be in a big group, being a tourist, but understanding that when you do come into a country, we have that same technology here. There's RF scanners here, but there you're in a target rich environment because they know where you're at, right? I mean, when you come off that.
[00:30:58] Speaker B: Cruise ship, they know it's a bunch of Americans that have a lot of there's a lot of money. They're all rich according to foreigners. They think everybody's got money.
[00:31:06] Speaker A: But if I was going to sit there with an RF scanner and figure out where do I want to be today to get the most traffic, I would be sitting at the end of the pier.
I might even have be selling umbrellas or whatever. But I have my little RF scanner going the whole time picking.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: They know exactly.
[00:31:20] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. We're at a break point here and I hate to break the momentum, but I need to go ahead and do this. So we're going to go ahead and wrap this first part because I think we're going to run an hour with this easy. This is really going well. But I want to thank everybody for tuning into part one. We're going to get part two up probably in a week or two. So definitely come back and look for that. We're going to continue on talking about now once you've gotten to the foreign country, we've got the list of things to do and not do there, plus talking about some of the hotspots and then what to do if a worst case scenario begins to unfold. We're going to be back with Doug Wilson with Counter Threat Group, and I, of course, am Russ Dorsey with Cyber Matters, part of the Kasuf Podcast Network.
